Wikipédia Discussão:CommonsTicker

Esta página é para falar do CommonsTicker, um sistema de aviso em tempo quase-real das modificações importantes dos arquivos do Wikimedia Commons utilizados na Wikipédia: novas versões, alterações em marcas de licenças, propostas de eliminação, etc.

Princípios do projeto

Facilitar a comunicação e troca de informações entre projetos.
Fazer com que os usuários se envolvam nos debates sobre o destino das mesmas.
Corrigir na Wikipédia aquelas imagens que serão eliminadas ou alteradas no Commons.

Informação de contato

Na Wikipédia: Lijealso
Bot que faz as modificações: CommonsTicker
Operador do bot: de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb (na de.wiki e no Commons)
Informação técnica: CommonsTicker (em inglês)
Discussões técnicas: CommonsTicker talk (em inglês)

Implantação

movido de Wikipedia:Esplanada/geral, edições 2241425, 2243437, 2243535, 2244405, 2244462, 2244649, 2244669, 2245033 Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 22:04, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker

CommonsTicker é un sistema de seguimento das imaxes de Commons en cada Wikipedia. Serve para coñecer se unha imaxe está marcada para borrar ou se foi substituída por unha nova. Dese xeito os usuarios do wiki están informados do que sucede cos ficheiros procedentes de Commons e poden realizar as accións que sexan necesarias: eliminar a referencia a unha imaxe que xa non existe, intervir nun debate sobre se debe eliminarse ou non unha imaxe, ou cambiar os parámetros da imaxe se houbo variacións cunha nova versión. Se teñen interese en poñelo en marcha aquí ofrezome a botarlles unha man, nós na Galipedia xa o activamos e o funcionamento está sendo bo (poden velo aquí). Por outra banda, quería dicir que teño notado que en Commons ás veces hai dificultades de comunicación cos usuarios de pt.wiki. Se queren, na medida das miñas posibilidades, estou disposto a axudar. Un cordial saúdo. --Prevert^{gl | commons | pt} 07:49, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Serviço feito por bot e que não dá grandes trabalhos adicionais a ninguém? Excelente! Espero que os demais também gostem. Já, quanto ao que disse, Prevert, o problema da comunidade da pt:Wikipedia é que ela tem a tendência a se fechar demais nela mesma por motivos que desconheço e que, provavelmente, não são intencionais. Qualquer pessoa que ajude em algum sentido a quebrar tal tendência será muito bem-vinda. Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 17:13, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Li por alto do que se trata. Irá dar algum trabalho na fase de implementação (mas nada de especial). Por mim, acho uma boa ideia. Lije*Also ^{(D) @ (C)} 17:30, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Para que funcione o sistema hai que crear as páxinas Wikipedia:CommonsTicker (gl:Wikipedia:CommonsTicker), Wikipedia Discussão:CommonsTicker (gl:Wikipedia talk:CommonsTicker) e as predefinicōes Template:TickerEntry (gl:Template:TickerEntry) e Template:TickerAction (gl:Template:TickerAction) (estas últimas serven para formatar os datos da páxina). Tamén un administrador ten que engadir en Mediawiki:Common.css o código que hai en gl:Mediawiki:Common.css para darlle formato as entradas do CommonsTicker. Se vostedes queren creo todas as páxinas coa versión galega e logo vostedes traducen ao Português, é moi pouco o que hai que traducir así que leva pouco traballo e tempo. Tamén faría a petición en Meta a Duesentrieb. Terían que indicar un administrador como contacto como responsable do proxecto para que Duesentrieb pudera acordar os arranxos que foran precisos. No caso galego en moi pouco tempo o sistema comezou a funcionar e só houbo que corrixir unhas entradas duplicadas. O bot cada certo tempo publica na páxina os cambios das imaxes enlazadas en pt.wiki aparecendo o aviso nas Mudanças recentes. Os sistema funciona só, o único que hai que facer é eliminar as referencias as imaxes borradas de Commons e outros cambios menores (algo que habería que facer igual). Esquecíame hai tres opcións de configuración que terían que decidir: order (as entradas ordeanse na cima pola data máis recente ou máis antiga), update mode (as novas entradas engádense as anteriores ou substitúen as que xa hai) e minor (agochar eliminación de versións antigas e usuarios substituindo os seus propios ficheiros) (as opcións no CommonsTicker galego son order: newest on top, update mode: append new e minor: no). Unha vez que todo isto estea listo e Duesentrieb faga os axustes o administrador de contacto ten que dar a autorización para que o sistema comece a funcionar. Un cordial saúdo. --Prevert^{gl | commons | pt} 19:56, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Tratando de um bot, teria que haver primeiro aprovação da comunidade, nomeadamente através de pedido feito no local indicado.

Neste caso, como é suposto aparecerem as edições nas mudanças recentes, dispesada estaria o bot flag. A semana de testes serviria para confirmar a utilidade e eficácia do mecanismo.

Lije*Also ^{(D) @ (C)} 20:06, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

acho uma excelente ideia. Rei-artur ? 20:39, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

As edicións do bot deben aparecer nas Mudanças recentes senon non se sabe cando actualiza os datos da páxina, iso funciona como aviso. A frecuencia de actualizacións depende dos cambios que haxa nas imaxes, poden pasar varias horas ou só unhas poucas entre cada entrada. En pt.wiki hai moitas máis imaxes que na Galipedia pero para que se fagan unha idea estas son as cinco últimas entradas do bot nos Cambios recentes de gl.wiki:

5 de xuño 
Wikipedia:CommonsTicker; 20:17 . . CommonsTicker  (CommonsTicker update (20060605155138, 23859))
Wikipedia:CommonsTicker; 16:15 . . CommonsTicker (CommonsTicker update (20060605121114, 23746))
Wikipedia:CommonsTicker; 12:14 . . CommonsTicker (CommonsTicker update (20060605091417, 23674))
Wikipedia:CommonsTicker; 08:12 . . CommonsTicker (CommonsTicker update (20060605041821, 23499))
4 de xuño
Wikipedia:CommonsTicker; 16:14 . . CommonsTicker (CommonsTicker update (20060604114812, 23009))

Un cordial saúdo. --Prevert^{gl | commons | pt} 20:42, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Comecei a traduzir e adaptar as páginas. Peço que seja indicado um sysop para servir de contato. Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 21:51, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Além de algum administrador ser indicado, também são necessárias definições quanto aos parâmetros em meta:CommonsTicker#Available_Options. Se ninguém se oferecer ou indicar alguém até amanhã por volta deste horário, eu irei me oferecer, selecionando newest on top, append new, don't hide deletion. Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 23:52, 5 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Não me importo de servir como contacto. Lije*Also ^{(D) @ (C)} 00:51, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Xa vexo que comezaron a poñer en marcha CommonsTicker, obrigado porque tiveran en conta a miña suxerencia. Se precisan da miña colaboración no futuro poden atoparme nalgunha das ligazóns da sinatura. Un cordial saúdo. --Prevert^{gl | commons | pt} 10:44, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

~:Parece ótima idéia, só vejo questões positivas... Nós que devemos lhe agradecer, Prevert! Tschulz 14:17, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Então vamos lá, Lijealso, insira-se nos campos aproproados desta página e da principal do recurso (comentado em HTML) e aliste-se . Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 14:46, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

dêem-me só um bocado de tempo para conseguir descansar um pouco. Lá para o final do dia ver se avanço com algo. Lije*Also ^{(D) @ (C)} 16:05, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

ótimas ferramentas desse alemão. leonardo 17:06, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

O bot já correu um primeiro teste. Vejam "a página ao lado" para ver se está tudo ok. Pedi um dia antes de dar o ok final para o operador (para o bot começar a operar normalmente) Lije*Also ^{(D) @ (C)} 20:56, 6 Junho 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version to fix some problems

e replication lag we currently see on the toolserver (it's more than a day behind). While I hope this will not happen again in the future, I have been working on improving CommonsTicker so it handles out-of-sync entries gracefully.

I plan to activate a new version of CommonsTicker tonight or tomorrow - so look out for any new problems. Here are the most relevant changes:

fix handling of out-of-sync records (see above); added "latecomer" parameter to TickerEntry template (may be ignored)

id=377144 like this]. ikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADuesentrieb%2FCommonsTicker&diff=377180&oldid=377144 here] for an example that strikes out the entry if status is set to "done".

For the future, I'm planning to let CommonsTicker post warnings to the talk page of articles that use an image das is (about to be) deleted. I'll post another announcement when that feature is ready.

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:16, 20 Junho 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version to fix some problems

Hello - sorry, the privious message was a bit broken. Below is a full repost. Sorry again -- CommonsTicker 14:49, 20 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Hi - you may have noticed some problems with CommonsTicker lately - namely, some entries about deletions went missing, and some entries arrived several days late (messing up the date headings for ticker pages using append mode). This is caused by the massive replication lag we currently see on the toolserver (it's more than a day behind). While I hope this will not happen again in the future, I have been working on improving CommonsTicker so it handles out-of-sync entries gracefully.

I plan to activate a new version of CommonsTicker tonight or tomorrow - so look out for any new problems. Here are the most relevant changes:

fix handling of out-of-sync records (see above); added "latecomer" parameter to TickerEntry template (may be ignored)
deleted images can be restored now. To reflect this, I have added a "restored" action to CommonsTicker. To use it, you need to change your templates and/or CSS like this.
for pages in append-mode, there an empty "status" parameter is now handed to the TickerEntry template - this parameter can be set manually to trigger some type of marking or highliting, depending on how you set up your template and CSS. See here for an example that strikes out the entry if status is set to "done".

For the future, I'm planning to let CommonsTicker post warnings to the talk page of articles that use an image das is (about to be) deleted. I'll post another announcement when that feature is ready.

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:49, 20 Junho 2006 (UTC)

Nova opción do CommonsTicker

Agora en cada entrada do CommonsTicker aparece o campo status, o código vese así:

{{TickerEntry
|status=

O status serve para levar un rexistro do seguemento que se fai dos ficheiros. Por exemplo, se alguén eliminou a referencia a unha imaxe borrada en Commons pode indicalo poñendo status= done , dese xeito a entrada vese así: ~~Essjay eliminada Image:Fragoso.jpg: [[Category:Images with unknown source as of unknown date 2006]]; Incluída na páxina: Lista dos presidentes do Brasil (páxina local da imaxe)~~. E o resto dos colaboradores xa saben que esa entrada foi revisada. Hai unha listaxe de valores para o status, poño aquí a información do Wikipedia:CommonsTicker da Galipedia por se vostedes consideran que pode ser de utilidade para o seu:

'''Mensaxes de Status'''
Cada entrada ten unha liña de status para indicar como se resolve a situación á que fai referencia o aviso.
A sintaxe é:<br/>
*<code>''status=<blank>''</code> — por omisión, non sucede nada.
*<code>''status=done''</code> — o problema relacionado con esta entrada foi corrixido.
*<code>''status=local''</code> — solucionado cargando a imaxe na proxecto local.
*<code>''status=fixing''</code> — estase traballando na solución.
*<code>''status=wontfix''</code> — non podemos ou non temos intención de resolver o problema.
*<code>''status=similiar''</code> — neste caso a solución foi substituír a imaxe por outra semellante.
*<code>''status=NA''</code> — non hai consecuencias negativas (isto é opcional). Tamén oculta as páxinas onde está a imaxe.

Un cordial saúdo. --Prevert^{gl | commons | pt} 15:45, 29 Junho 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version, new features

Hello. A new version of CommonsTicker will be rolled out soon (probably tomorrow). Please have an eye on what the bot is doing, and report any problems to m:User_talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker. Some of the changes are:

the ticker can now post warnings to the talk page of articles that are using "endangered" images. This is not enabled per default, and you can select for which namespaces it is done. If you want this feature, please request it at m:User:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker#Change_Requests.
in append mode, there are now three empty template parameters: status, editor, and notic. The ticker does not use them itself, but you can use them in the TickerEntry template, for example to strike through entries that have been fixed. en:wikinews has already been using this for a while now.

if the ticker fails to post an update, a warning is posted to your and the ticker's talk page. In append mode, the ticker will also re-try to post the update on the next pass. Until now, failed updates where simply ignored. edit summaries become a bit more informative.

I hope these changes will help to make CommonsTicker more used and more useful. On a related note: you may have noticed that on long pages, entries near the bottom of the page are sometimes not expanded but rendered just as {{TickerEntry}} or similar. This is due to a new limit to template expansion - see bugzilla:7005. To avoid it, try to keep the page short and/or try to simplify the TickerEntry template. This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 23:18, 20 Agosto 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20060925184631.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 18:59, 25 Setembro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061009162324.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 16:33, 9 Outubro 2006 (UTC)O que é isso? [editar código-fonte]O que significa "ticker" e para que serve isso? Quem atualiza ou é automático? Seria legal uma introdução melhorzinha. abraço, Lipe FML_ 05:00, 10 Outubro 2006 (UTC)Ticker, ticket... nunca recebeu ticket de supermecado quando faz compras? Seria melhor receber, muitas vezes digitam o valor errado e se acaba pagando mais do que se levou. A introdução acima, irônicamente, leva para a página do meta onde tudo é explicado. E, obviamente que isto é feito por um bot sem flag por sua excepcionalidade, desde quando alguém teria paciência de fazer tudo isso manualmente? Cachorrinho está latindo lá no fundo do quntal • ^msg 18:13, 10 Outubro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061011144415.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 14:54, 11 Outubro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061204183456.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 18:36, 4 Dezembro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061229012714.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 01:29, 29 Dezembro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061229023650.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 02:38, 29 Dezembro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20061229063655.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 06:39, 29 Dezembro 2006 (UTC)CommonsTicker: Ticker Trouble [editar código-fonte]Hello As you may have noticed, there have been some problems with CommonsTicker lately:first, the toolserver was down. After it was back up, we had to wait for fresh database dumps. also, many updates where failing because ticker pages where growing too large. Updates that went through half-way somtimes also caused entries to be posted multiple times, making the problem worse. when I tried to improve performance, I introduced a bug that caused the ticker to post trash sometimes. I disabled the ticker again when I was told about it, and I have fixed all effected pages yesterday (I hope I didn't miss any).To sort this out completely, I have to rewrite parts of CommonsTicker. For now, I will enable the ticker again for most wikis, but not for the ones that where having most trouble - namely de-wikipedia, en-wikinews, eo-wikipedia, es-wikipedia, fr-wikipedia, ja-wikipedia, ru-wikipedia, simple-wikipedia and zh-wikipedia. I'll have to investigate those more closely. So please keep an eye on CommonsTicker in the next days - if there is any more trouble, please tell me, preferrably on meta:User_talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker. Regards -- meta:User:Duesentrieb 13:36, 5 Janeiro 2007 (UTC) This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 13:36, 5 Janeiro 2007 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20070113141922.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 14:29, 13 Janeiro 2007 (UTC)CommonsTicker: CommonsTicker, The Next Generation [editar código-fonte]I am currently testing a new version of CommonsTicker (dubbed CommonsTicker NG) on the german Wikipedia - problems with ticker pages growing too large made a partial rewrite necessary. Most changes are "under the hood", the larges change for users is in the way the ticker page is structured and updated: CommonsTicker will now create a subpage for each day, and include this as a template on the ticker page. New entries for a given day are added to the respective subpage without modifying existing entries on that subpage. Old subpages (sections) are removed automatically from the main ticker page - per default, 7 sections are kept (days for which there are no entries are not counted). Please check that your ticker page has both start- and end-markers for the region where CommonsTicker should post (see m:User:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker#Ticker_Page); everything between the markers will be replaced. If the markers are missing, the entire page is replaced. When I have finished testing CommonsTicker NG, I will activate the new version on the wikis where CommonsTicker is currently disabled due to problems with page size (the large projects I mentioned in the last announcement). When all goes well, I will start to switch other wikis to NG one by one, as seems convenient. If you want the new version soon, or you don't want it yet for some reason, please tell me about it on m:User:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker#Change_Requests. This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:44, 6 Fevereiro 2007 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20070616182531.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 18h58min de 16 de Junho de 2007 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20070823161557.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker 16h22min de 23 de Agosto de 2007 (UTC)CommonsTicker failed to post update: pt-wikipedia-org.ticker.wiki.20080804185403.pending [editar código-fonte]CommonsTicker was unable to post the latest update to the ticker page. This may happen if there is a temporary problem with the servers or the network, or if the page has grown verry big. If you use "append" mode, please keep the page reasonably short, perhaps by moving old entries that still need attention to a separate page, which could be included in the main ticker page. Note that CommonsTicker will re-try to post the update on the next run. If you use "replace" mode, please consider requesting a shorter interval (less days) to watch. CommonsTicker will not try to re-post the update, since it will replace the entire page on the next run anyway. (this is an automated message) -- CommonsTicker (discussão) 19h00min de 4 de Agosto de 2008 (UTC)