Discussão:Feitiço (futebolista)

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He never played for Celeste. Its stupid to write in the article that «He never played for Uruguay», so I'll leave it here. Just stop push this legendary and fake information. Celeste Inmortal - there is no data about Feitiço in this book, and also you'll never find any online stats at the sites like rsssf.com, fifa.com, 11v11.com etc.--Soul Train (discussão) 15h05min de 1 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• Same fake in English WP, I think, extrapolated from pt-WP: «After becoming in 1927 the first foreigner to play for Uruguay - six matches - he played in 1931 in...» Well, In 1927, Uruguay played in just six games, three of them in [http://www.rsssf.com/tables/27safull.html Sudamericano]. And where was he?--Soul Train (discussão) 15h32min de 1 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• There's sources in three of the main Brazilian newspapers telling that. One of them is Jornal dos Sports, which printed the information back in 1936. This is why I added the text "according to some sources." Alexandre Giesbrecht (discussão) 20h18min de 1 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is writing by sources, and statistical sources tell that Feitiço never played for Uruguay national team. Here is another source, confirming that he even did't had a passport of Uruguay. This is the fact. "Some sources" also telling us that he "played for Uruguay" in 1927, but Uruguay only played six matches in 1927, three of them on [http://rsssf.com/tables/27safull.html Sudamericano]. Once again, where was he? Swimming in Callao? Or walked in the mountains of Cusco?--Soul Train (discussão) 00h07min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• And also: "o primeiro estrangeiro a defender a Seleção Uruguaia de Futebol". Ohhh. Uruguay 1901, the first game against Argentina: Alfred Lodge, John Morton, Cecil Poole, William Leslie Poole (born Nov. 7, 1866, England).--Soul Train (discussão) 00h22min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• I have inserted sources that say he played. Your source doesn't say "Feitiço didn't play for Uruguay"; my sources say he did. It is a fact that there are sources that say he played for Uruguay, and this is what the text now says—it doesn't claim he did, it says there are sources that claim he did, and the fact that there are sources is indisputable. (Have I been clear enough?) No source I added mentions 1927, and it wasn't even on the Portuguese Wikipedia, so there's no point in mentioning this here or even being sarcastic about something I have not claimed. Also, the source for Acervo Santos FC you cited negates what you're trying to say: "Encantou os uruguaios, e foi convidado para atuar pela Seleção do Uruguai, onde atuou em alguns jogos não oficiais. Por pouco, não se naturalizou uruguaio." Or, in English: "He amazed the Uruguayans and was invited to play for the Uruguay national team, which he played for in some non-official games. He almost naturalized Uruguayan." As for being the first foreigner, you have convinced me, despite trying to make your point in a not so nice way. One last thing: When you remove information, read it before, because you left an incomplete phrase. Best regards, Alexandre Giesbrecht (discussão) 01h08min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

  «my sources say he did» - your sources are pathetic, because there are absolutely no concrete facts. When he played? In which games? I have the list of all official Celeste games, and there was no such player as Feitiço/Macedo/Matoso/Matozzo. That is the fact. Neither in 1927, nor in any other year.--Soul Train (discussão) 16h40min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• As I said before, the text now says that "sources say he played for Uruguay". Again: it's indisputable that sources say this. But you keep being aggressive, intrasigent (you don't stop mentioning 1927, which wasn't even on the Portuguese text in any time) and, even worse, keeping a text that doesn't make sense in Portuguese. It's no use trying to reason with you. Alexandre Giesbrecht (discussão) 17h03min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

  «Your source doesn't say "Feitiço didn't play for Uruguay"» And there are no sources claiming that Barak Obama played for Uruguay, so what? I just telling you that you got no sources for concrete games, you are trying to pass off for a fact some rumors printed in the newspaper 80 years ago, instead of looking at the modern statistics. 1 game for Brazil, 1 game for Brazil. You could watch all the games of the Uruguay (with squards) for 20 years, from 1920 to 1940, and wouldn't see there any Feitiço. I just don't understand, what do you want to achieve by this dispute. The fact that he did not play for Uruguay (or played some unknown six training games) does not make him a less great player.--Soul Train (discussão) 17h06min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• As I have been trying to tell you, my past editions have not mentioned anymore that he played. Rather, that there are sources (from 1936, 1981 and 1985) that say he did. I never saw any sources about Obama (of course), but I have many about Feitiço, so I have to be absolutely sure before negating the sources I have. I don't intend on achieving anything about this, just maintaining historical information that might be lost in the future—even if him playing for Uruguay were just rumors, it is important to know about them, which tells much about the Brazilian sports society in the 1930s, in which maybe playing for a foreign team was a big deal. Alexandre Giesbrecht (discussão) 17h18min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

I just ask you to insert the source on the phrase you inserted about the statistical data. Alexandre Giesbrecht (discussão) 17h20min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)

• You mean, insert the links into the article?--Soul Train (discussão) 17h23min de 2 de abril de 2017 (UTC)